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Old 06-18-2009, 05:25 PM   #1

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Default Japan warns that North Korea may fire missile at U.S. on Independence Day

North Korea may launch a long-range ballistic missile towards Hawaii on American Independence Day, according to Japanese intelligence officials.
The missile, believed to be a Taepodong-2 with a range of up to 4,000 miles, would be launched in early July from the Dongchang-ni site on the north-western coast of the secretive country.
Intelligence analysts do not believe the device would be capable of hitting Hawaii's main islands, which are 4,500 miles from North Korea.
Details of the launch came from the Japan's best-selling newspaper, Yomiuri Shimbun.
Both Japanese intelligence and U.S. reconnaissance satellites have collated information pointing to the launch, according to the report.


This is North Korea's Taepodong-2 missile which has a range of 4,000 miles. Intelligence analysts do not believe it would be capable of hitting Hawaii which is 4,500 miles away

Enlarge North Korean leader Kim Jong Il inspecting the command of the 7th Infantry Division of the North Korean Peoples Army


It is understood the communist state is likely to fire the missile between July 4 and 8. A launch on July 4 would coincide with Independence Day in the States.It would also be the 15th anniversary of North Korean president Kim Il-Sung's death.
The Japanese newspaper also noted that North Korea had fired its first Taepodong-2 missile on July 4, 2006.

Officials had initially believed that North Korea might attempt to launch a similar device towards either Japan's Okinawa island, Guam or Hawaii.
But the ministry concluded launches toward Okinawa or Guam were 'extremely unlikely' because the first-stage booster could drop into waters off China, agitating Beijing, or hit western Japanese territory.
If the missile were fired in the direction of Hawaii, the booster could drop in the Sea of Japan.
News of the launch would put 'enormous military pressure on the United States,' the Yomiuri said, citing the ministry report.

Enlarge A missile fired from North Korea would have to travel 4,500 miles before it reached the U.S. state of Hawaii


A spokesman for the Japanese Defense Ministry declined to comment on the report.
South Korea's Defense Ministry and the National Intelligence Service - the country's main spy agency - said they could not confirm it.
Tension on the divided Korean peninsula has risen markedly since the North, led by Kim Jong-il, conducted two nuclear tests this year in defiance of repeated international warnings
The first rocket, fired in April, was widely seen as a disguised long-range missile test. A second launch came on May 25.
U.S. satellite intelligence has shown that a missile launch pad had been erected at Dongchang-ri on North Korea's north-west coast.
General James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it would take at least three to five years for North Korea to pose a real threat to the U.S. west coast.
The UN Security Council last week authorised member states to inspect North Korean sea, air and land cargo, requiring them to seize and destroy goods shipped that violate the sanctions against arms export.
On Saturday, in response to this declaration Pyongyang said it would bolster its nuclear programs and threatened war.
Growing tensions come as arms-watchdog the International Crisis Group (ICG) claimed North Korea has several thousand tonnes of chemical weapons it could mount on missiles.
The report from the non-government organisation said they believed the North's army have about 2,500 to 5,000 tonnes of chemical weapons which include mustard gas, sarin and other deadly nerve agents.
ICG also also warned South Korea may become a target.
'If there is an escalation of conflict and if military hostilities break out, there is a risk that they could be used. In conventional terms, North Korea is weak and they feel they might have to resort to using those,' said Daniel Pinkston, the ICG's representative in Seoul.
The North has been working on chemical weapons for decades and can deliver them through long-range artillery directed on Seoul which is home to about half of South Korea's 49 million people and via missiles that could hit all of the country.
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WASHINGTON – The U.S. military is tracking a ship from North Korea that may be carrying illicit weapons, the first vessel monitored under tougher new United Nations rules meant to rein in and punish the communist government following a nuclear test, officials said Thursday.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he has ordered additional protections for Hawaii just in case North Korea launches a long-range missile over the Pacific Ocean.
The suspect ship could become a test case for interception of the North's ships at sea, something the North has said it would consider an act of war.
Officials said the U.S. is monitoring the voyage of the North Korean-flagged Kang Nam, which left port in North Korea on Wednesday. On Thursday, it was traveling in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of China, two officials said on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence.
What the Kang Nam was carrying was not known, but the ship has been involved in weapons proliferation, one of the officials said.
The ship is among a group that is watched regularly but is the only one believed to have cargo that could potentially violate the U.N. resolution, the official said.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen did not specifically confirm that the U.S. was monitoring the ship when he was asked about it at a Pentagon news conference Thursday.
"We intend to vigorously enforce the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1874 to include options, to include, certainly, hail and query," Mullen said. "If a vessel like this is queried and doesn't allow a permissive search," he noted, it can be directed into port.
The Security Council resolution calls on all 192 U.N. member states to inspect vessels on the high seas "if they have information that provides reasonable grounds to believe that the cargo" contains banned weapons or material to make them, and if approval is given by the country whose flag the ship sails under.
If the country refuses to give approval, it must direct the vessel "to an appropriate and convenient port for the required inspection by the local authorities."
The resolution does not authorize the use of force. But if a country refuses to order a vessel to a port for inspection, it would be in violation of the resolution and the country licensing the vessel would face possible sanctions by the Security Council.
Gates, speaking at the same news conference, said the Pentagon is concerned about the possibility of a North Korean missile launch "in the direction of Hawaii."
Gates told reporters at the Pentagon he has sent the military's ground-based mobile missile system to Hawaii, and positioned a radar system nearby. The Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system is designed to shoot down ballistic missiles in their last stage of flight.
"We are in a good position, should it become necessary, to protect Americans and American territory," Gates said.
A Japanese newspaper reported Thursday that North Korea might fire its most advanced ballistic missile toward Hawaii around the Fourth of July holiday.
A new missile launch — though not expected to reach U.S. territory — would be a brazen slap in the face of the international community, which punished North Korea with new U.N. sanctions for conducting a second nuclear test on May 25 in defiance of a U.N. ban.
North Korea spurned the U.N. Security Council resolution with threats of war and pledges to expand its nuclear bomb-making program.
The missile now being readied in the North is believed to be a Taepodong-2 with a range of up to 4,000 miles and would be launched from North Korea's Dongchang-ni site on the northwestern coast, the Yomiuri newspaper said. It cited an analysis by Japan's Defense Ministry and intelligence gathered by U.S. reconnaissance satellites.
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They aint gonna do shit. They are like a fucking little toy dog. One day everyone is going to get sick of hearing it bark.
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They aint gonna do shit. They are like a fucking little toy dog. One day everyone is going to get sick of hearing it bark.
I know I'm tired of hearing them bark.
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I dont know, they did test the "satelite" the one day. I'm fearful, although if they do they will be bombed by so many countries it wouldnt even be funny.
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I'm more interested about what is going on in Iran with the elections. People went berserk. I don't know why they actually thought they were gonna get a legit election.

Last I heard, the Iranian government shut down the internet in Iran pretty much. Filtering all searches and what not.
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I dont know, they did test the "satelite" the one day. I'm fearful, although if they do they will be bombed by so many countries it wouldnt even be funny.
China has backed them in the past and I am sure Iran would also, which makes them a real legitimate threat.
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China has backed them in the past and I am sure Iran would also, which makes them a real legitimate threat.
None of them really are. But then again these fuckers are crazy enough to take on the entire world. I thought China was starting to lean our way as of late anyhow? (Just as far as being more open and trusting with us. Not as in wanting to adopt our ways.)
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If they do, do some shit, maybe AFTER 4th of July? Maybe the 5th? I like to enjoy my independence day kthx.
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I'm more interested about what is going on in Iran with the elections. People went berserk. I don't know why they actually thought they were gonna get a legit election.

Last I heard, the Iranian government shut down the internet in Iran pretty much. Filtering all searches and what not.
Go on twitter for whats actually happening. Search #cnnfails
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Go on twitter for whats actually happening. Search #cnnfails
Another one of those things I do not understand. This Twitter. It's just like watching peoples lives through text right?
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Another one of those things I do not understand. This Twitter. It's just like watching peoples lives through text right?
Yes and no. People use it for other things.

Here, I will give you an example where its good.

A hurricane hits, well, it takes google 15 - 20 minutes to update with news sites and such. Twitter is instant. That way, you know whats going on by normal people. Same with the Iran election. CNN reported one thing and people in Iran actually twittered the truth and it was live.

Though there are things like I am walking the dog or I am mowing the lawn, but its more. I use it to get questions answered. Hell, TBFE is on there with updates and such. So much you can do.
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Another one of those things I do not understand. This Twitter. It's just like watching peoples lives through text right?
im really not sure, IDK what it is
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they dont have SHIT.

US could blow japan off the face of the earth if they really wanted to.
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they dont have SHIT.

US could blow japan off the face of the earth if they really wanted to.
You do realize that this is not a discussion about Japan's angst's against us right?

As far as the Twitter thing, this world is getting too small.
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If they do, do some shit, maybe AFTER 4th of July? Maybe the 5th? I like to enjoy my independence day kthx.
Down to chill on the 4th, bro?

We got Natty Ice.
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